[yocto] OEDAM @ SCaLE 2019

[Trevor Woerner]

Hello Fellow YP/OE Enthusiasts!

There were discussions at our recent OEDEM regarding:
- our next developers meeting
- SCaLE 2019
- expanding/adding to the YP/OE presence at conferences (i.e. our own
miniconf?)

Please see time indices: 12:13 and 16:45
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YDAHjIOXCIgvSZVOKCYLxa8h26dkruX8zspoge7zCpk

Unfortunately, although lots of opinions were expressed, nothing concrete was
decided. Many people pointed out that their travel budgets are already
strained or maxed out, so adding another conference would be difficult if not
impossible. It's unclear how many "core" YP/OE people might show up at next
year's SCaLE. Also, given that this year's ELC scheduling hiccup is a one-off,
maybe it doesn't make as much sense to put in all the work required to run an
OEDAM at SCaLE if it's only ever going to happen once. Therefore I think I can
safely say the organizing committee for YP/OE Things at SCaLE 2019 is leaning
towards not running an OEDAM.

It's not too late to change our plans. If a large number of core people reply
to this email saying they want and OEDAM in March and will be available in
Pasadena, then we could accommodate it. It's just that we didn't leave
Edinburgh with the feeling that an OEDAM at SCaLE was feasible. Also, at this
point SCaLE isn't on the radars of many of the core YP/OE people, and
currently the conference tends to attract users rather than developers (or so
is my impression).

Thoughts?

Best regards,
Trevor
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[akuster808]

Trevor,

Post by Trevor Woerner
Hello Fellow YP/OE Enthusiasts!
- our next developers meeting
- SCaLE 2019
- expanding/adding to the YP/OE presence at conferences (i.e. our own
miniconf?)
Please see time indices: 12:13 and 16:45
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YDAHjIOXCIgvSZVOKCYLxa8h26dkruX8zspoge7zCpk

Could you please give us a day's notice the next time so we can properly
set the perms for our minutes.

- armin

Post by Trevor Woerner
Unfortunately, although lots of opinions were expressed, nothing concrete was
decided. Many people pointed out that their travel budgets are already
strained or maxed out, so adding another conference would be difficult if not
impossible. It's unclear how many "core" YP/OE people might show up at next
year's SCaLE. Also, given that this year's ELC scheduling hiccup is a one-off,
maybe it doesn't make as much sense to put in all the work required to run an
OEDAM at SCaLE if it's only ever going to happen once. Therefore I think I can
safely say the organizing committee for YP/OE Things at SCaLE 2019 is leaning
towards not running an OEDAM.
It's not too late to change our plans. If a large number of core people reply
to this email saying they want and OEDAM in March and will be available in
Pasadena, then we could accommodate it. It's just that we didn't leave
Edinburgh with the feeling that an OEDAM at SCaLE was feasible. Also, at this
point SCaLE isn't on the radars of many of the core YP/OE people, and
currently the conference tends to attract users rather than developers (or so
is my impression).
Thoughts?
Best regards,
Trevor

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[Trevor Woerner]

Post by akuster808
Trevor,

Post by Trevor Woerner
Please see time indices: 12:13 and 16:45

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YDAHjIOXCIgvSZVOKCYLxa8h26dkruX8zspoge7zCpk
Could you please give us a day's notice the next time so we can properly
set the perms for our minutes.

Will do, sorry!

[Jon Mason]

Post by Trevor Woerner
Hello Fellow YP/OE Enthusiasts!
- our next developers meeting
- SCaLE 2019
- expanding/adding to the YP/OE presence at conferences (i.e. our own
miniconf?)
Please see time indices: 12:13 and 16:45
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YDAHjIOXCIgvSZVOKCYLxa8h26dkruX8zspoge7zCpk
Unfortunately, although lots of opinions were expressed, nothing concrete was
decided. Many people pointed out that their travel budgets are already
strained or maxed out, so adding another conference would be difficult if not
impossible. It's unclear how many "core" YP/OE people might show up at next
year's SCaLE. Also, given that this year's ELC scheduling hiccup is a one-off,
maybe it doesn't make as much sense to put in all the work required to run an
OEDAM at SCaLE if it's only ever going to happen once. Therefore I think I can
safely say the organizing committee for YP/OE Things at SCaLE 2019 is leaning
towards not running an OEDAM.
It's not too late to change our plans. If a large number of core people reply
to this email saying they want and OEDAM in March and will be available in
Pasadena, then we could accommodate it. It's just that we didn't leave
Edinburgh with the feeling that an OEDAM at SCaLE was feasible. Also, at this
point SCaLE isn't on the radars of many of the core YP/OE people, and
currently the conference tends to attract users rather than developers (or so
is my impression).
Thoughts?

I am planning on being at SCaLE (assuming the OEDEM happens there).

Many corporate travel budgets are tied to presenting at conferences.
So, if we could somehow get a track there (which might be too late in
the game to do now), then we might be able to get enough people
present to make it happen and pull in others whose budget is more
flexible.

Thanks,
Jon

Post by Trevor Woerner
Best regards,
Trevor
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[Trevor Woerner]

Hi Jon,

Post by Jon Mason
I am planning on being at SCaLE (assuming the OEDEM happens there).
Many corporate travel budgets are tied to presenting at conferences.
So, if we could somehow get a track there (which might be too late in
the game to do now), then we might be able to get enough people
present to make it happen and pull in others whose budget is more
flexible.

As it turns out, I'll be organising the YP/OE Miniconf that will most
likely be run on the Sunday. I was going to send out a separate email
discussing the Miniconf, but I guess now is as good a time as any :-)

While it's true that the CFP has closed for SCaLE, I plan to open my own
CFP specifically for the Miniconf, and I don't plan to close it until
closer to the conference itself. I want to encourage people to give talks
about current things, as such, having a CFP close this early wouldn't do.

We haven't decided on a format for the Miniconf, exactly, if we have
traditional talks, we'll have 6 sessions (2 before lunch, 4 after). But
depending on interest and what sort of proposals we get, we might do some
longer, some shorter talks.

I hope this helps. Best regards,
Trevor

[akuster808]

Morning Trevor,

Post by Trevor Woerner
Hi Jon,
I am planning on being at SCaLE (assuming the OEDEM happens there).
Many corporate travel budgets are tied to presenting at conferences.
So, if we could somehow get a track there (which might be too late in
the game to do now), then we might be able to get enough people
present to make it happen and pull in others whose budget is more
flexible.
As it turns out, I'll be organising the YP/OE Miniconf that will most
likely be run on the Sunday. I was going to send out a separate email
discussing the Miniconf, but I guess now is as good a time as any :-)

I would like a some clarification. As fas as the OE Board knows, we had
one room available on Sunday. Is this the same room or did you find some
other space at the venue? I am a bit confused about the messaging. The
subject and Jon's statement are all about OEDaM but your addition to
this tread is about a Miniconf. Is the Miniconf a separate thing?

Post by Trevor Woerner
While it's true that the CFP has closed for SCaLE, I plan to open my
own CFP specifically for the Miniconf, and I don't plan to close it
until closer to the conference itself. I want to encourage people to
give talks about current things, as such, having a CFP close this
early wouldn't do.
We haven't decided on a format for the Miniconf, exactly, if we have
traditional talks, we'll have 6 sessions (2 before lunch, 4 after).
But depending on interest and what sort of proposals we get, we might
do some longer, some shorter talks.

May I ask who "We" are? AFAIK, Behan and Tom are doing a *-ale tracks at
Scale.


- armin

Post by Trevor Woerner
 I hope this helps. Best regards,
    Trevor

[Sean Hudson]

Post by akuster808
Morning Trevor,

Post by Trevor Woerner
Hi Jon,
I am planning on being at SCaLE (assuming the OEDEM happens there).
Many corporate travel budgets are tied to presenting at conferences.
So, if we could somehow get a track there (which might be too late in
the game to do now), then we might be able to get enough people
present to make it happen and pull in others whose budget is more
flexible.
As it turns out, I'll be organising the YP/OE Miniconf that will most
likely be run on the Sunday. I was going to send out a separate email
discussing the Miniconf, but I guess now is as good a time as any :-)

I would like a some clarification. As fas as the OE Board knows, we had
one room available on Sunday. Is this the same room or did you find some
other space at the venue? I am a bit confused about the messaging. The
subject and Jon's statement are all about OEDaM but your addition to
this tread is about a Miniconf. Is the Miniconf a separate thing?

Post by Trevor Woerner
While it's true that the CFP has closed for SCaLE, I plan to open my
own CFP specifically for the Miniconf, and I don't plan to close it
until closer to the conference itself. I want to encourage people to
give talks about current things, as such, having a CFP close this
early wouldn't do.
We haven't decided on a format for the Miniconf, exactly, if we have
traditional talks, we'll have 6 sessions (2 before lunch, 4 after).
But depending on interest and what sort of proposals we get, we might
do some longer, some shorter talks.

May I ask who "We" are? AFAIK, Behan and Tom are doing a *-ale tracks at
Scale.

Trevor,

The OpenEmbedded board had a quick discussion and would like to share
a few things.
First, the board fully supports any OpenEmbedded member organizing
community events.
Second, thank you for stepping up to organize such an event. We
greatly appreciate it and will support you as best we can.

Third, the desire for user-centric events or a separate conference
entirely has been discussed at several of the recent developer meetings,
while at the same time, we've seen a growing number of users attending
these meetings "just to observe". It sounds like the event that you are
starting to organize at SCaLE presents the perfect opportunity to start
creating such a user-centric meeting.

Lastly, as was brought up at the meeting in Edinburgh, this is all
occurring *very* late for conference planning, which adds greatly to
everyone's stress and angst.

With that said, the board does have a concern, a request, and a
suggestion. (triple threat!)

The concern arises from the history associated with the OEDEM and
OEDAM names/meetings. Specifically, we are concerned about possible
confusion that may arise from overusing those terms. FWIW, members
expressed this at the last several developer meetings publicly and have
also expressed reservations to board members privately. For many,
employers will only pay for them to go to a single "meeting" a year.
This means we need to make it easy for users, developers, and their
employers to know what type of meeting is being held.

So, we request that you call the event that you are organizing an
OpenEmbedded User Summit, or something similar. We think this will help
clarify things and it also preserves the use of the "official",
OpenEmbedded Developer Meetings terms, e.g. OEDEM or OEDAM, for the OE
developers.

Recognizing that we are scrambling to get things organized at the last
minute, we further suggest that we put together a quick verbal
discussion with all the necessary folks present. ATM, that appears to
be you, Tom K, Behan, and the OE board.

[darknighte]

OE folks,

The OE board hasn't made a final decision yet, but plan to make one
soon. We will send an update as soon as we have.
In the meantime, if folks who are interested in attending something
at SCaLE, it will be factored into the board's decision making
process.

Post by Jon Mason

Post by Trevor Woerner
Hello Fellow YP/OE Enthusiasts!
- our next developers meeting
- SCaLE 2019
- expanding/adding to the YP/OE presence at conferences (i.e. our own
miniconf?)
Please see time indices: 12:13 and 16:45
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YDAHjIOXCIgvSZVOKCYLxa8h26dkruX8zspoge7zCpk
Unfortunately, although lots of opinions were expressed, nothing concrete was
decided. Many people pointed out that their travel budgets are already
strained or maxed out, so adding another conference would be difficult if not
impossible. It's unclear how many "core" YP/OE people might show up at next
year's SCaLE. Also, given that this year's ELC scheduling hiccup is a one-off,
maybe it doesn't make as much sense to put in all the work required to run an
OEDAM at SCaLE if it's only ever going to happen once. Therefore I think I can
safely say the organizing committee for YP/OE Things at SCaLE 2019 is leaning
towards not running an OEDAM.
It's not too late to change our plans. If a large number of core people reply
to this email saying they want and OEDAM in March and will be available in
Pasadena, then we could accommodate it. It's just that we didn't leave
Edinburgh with the feeling that an OEDAM at SCaLE was feasible. Also, at this
point SCaLE isn't on the radars of many of the core YP/OE people, and
currently the conference tends to attract users rather than developers (or so
is my impression).
Thoughts?

I am planning on being at SCaLE (assuming the OEDEM happens there).
Many corporate travel budgets are tied to presenting at conferences.
So, if we could somehow get a track there (which might be too late in
the game to do now), then we might be able to get enough people
present to make it happen and pull in others whose budget is more
flexible.
Thanks,
Jon

Post by Trevor Woerner
Best regards,
Trevor
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